ashura_sama: Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, chapitre 192

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Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle, chapitre 192
Was there ever any doubt that we'd have scans on time for Tsubasa? ¬¬

Chapitre 192
Overflowing memories

-01- (splash: Sakura and Shaoran)

"I wonder whether that's the case
with the fact I was able to meet you."

-02-03- (splash: Fai, Kurogane and Shaoran)

Overcome the truth!
For the miracle
that ought to be set into motion!

-04-

Shaoran: My mother's dream?

Shaoran-papa: That there's a person waiting for you.

Shaoran-papa: In another world, both dimension and logic different from ours.
... Will you go?

-05-

Shaoran: It's something my mother saw a dream about.

Shaoran: Besides,

Shaoran: if it's something I must do
... I'll go.

Shaoran-papa: ......

-06-

Shaoran-papa: Then,

Shaoran-papa: I'll entrust this to you. (T/N: This is a dangling object in the original text, but the idea is pretty clear.)

Shaoran: This is your...

-07-

Shaoran-papa: I too inherited it from my father.
And now I'll entrust it to you,

Shaoran-papa: along with our name. (T/N: The word Shaoran-papa used here is rarely singular. Personally, I think this line implies that Shaoran-papa's "true name" isn't "Shaoran" either, but maybe Shaoran-papa is just speaking as though Shaoran already inherited the name.)

-08-

Shaoran: ... So, will there be a time to use this?
Shaoran: In that other world. (T/N: I'm attributing this line to Shaoran because if I don't it directly contradicts page 9.)

Shaoran-papa: ......

Shaoran: Dad...?

-09-

Shaoran: A dream... huh?

Shaoran: Back then, my father didn't answer.
Shaoran: I'd expect him to have told me if it were necessary.

-10-

Shaoran: ... Is it that I don't need to know?

Shaoran: Or is it something I must figure out on my own?

-11-

Touya: Hey, brat.

Touya: You've got some nerve
to pull out a sword inside the castle.

Touya: You can't complain if you get cut.
Shaoran: Is that so?
Touya: Yup. I won't hear any of it.

Yukito: It's all right. You didn't know.

Shaoran: Even though I didn't know,
if it's a rule in the place that's lodging me,
Shaoran: I'll abide by it.

-12-

Shaoran: I apologize.

Yukito: You're a good kid.
Touya: ... Hmph.

Yukito: That sword is something that was inside you, right?

Yukito: You have power.

Yukito: And certainly, also strength and resolve. (T/N: I'm honestly not sure what I should translate "resolve" here as. Edict gives two base meanings that seem completely unrelated to me.)

-13-

Yukito: Get along with Sakura-hime, okay?

Touya: Even if you have power, that doesn't change the fact that you're a brat.

Sakura: Is Shaoran awake?

-14-

Sakura: Won't you go on a stroll
Sakura: before breakfast...

Sakura: Is brother bullying Shaoran again!?

Touya: I just said the truth.
Touya: Told the brat he's a brat.
Sakura: Brother, you're younger than Yukito-san, aren't you!?

-15-

Sakura: Besides, you may be the taller one,
but the stuffing is without a sliver of doubt that of a kid!

Yukito: And I told you that's why you should stop with the bullying...

Sakura: I won!

-16-

Shaoran: You did.

Shaoran: Thanks.

-17-

Shaoran: If it looks like you're going to be bullied by someone,
next time,
Shaoran: I'll protect you.

Sakura: Thanks!

-18-

Sakura: Just now,
Sakura: when we ran, I really wanted to link hands.

Sakura: The day when my cleansing ends
is the same day you'll go home,
Sakura: so maybe it's no use, but
should we have even a little time...

Sakura: let's run with hands linked!

Shaoran: ... Okay.

-19-

Sakura: Whaat?

Shaoran: Pinky promise.

Shaoran: In my world,
we make promises like this.
Shaoran: Though actually we entwine both pinky fingers.

-20-

Sakura: ... Like this?

Shaoran: It's a promise.

-21-

Yuuko: Shaoran,

Yuuko: what you'll choose on the seventh day
shall decide the future.

Yuuko: The other person's future too.

Teaser: The fated seventh day
will soon arrive!
What of their promise---?

Page 7: ... What? This is really sounding like Shaoran's name goes from one generation to the next, in which case the whole argument "Shaoran can't be a 'Shaoran' because his name isn't 'Shaoran'" crumbles, since the "original" Shaoran most likely was born with another name as well.

Page 11: Yukito's expression in the second panel is priceless. (笑)

Page 14: Yukito is older? Awesome.

Page 20: I'm such a dork that I have to post this again (spoilers for Code Geass R2 Turn 09).

Page 21: Chibi-Wata! ♥

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	jlarinda 2008-07-03 02:27 am UTC (link)
	Thank you for the translation! I love that Yuki's older, too \|Db (Reply to this)

	ariadnechan 2008-07-03 02:31 am UTC (link)
	thank you i'm gonna see the chap right away!! i want holic !! no one have a scan;__________; (Reply to this)

joukido
2008-07-03 02:54 am UTC (link)

Thank you so much for the translation!

Now CLAMP's just teasing. I doubt that this little flashback arc will completely answer the question as to what the connection between Watanuki and Syaoran is, but I'm certainly intrigued that they're using the arc to introduce and hint at the nature of their connection.

~~Assuming that they're not going to drop off the plot arc completely for another couple of years like the stolen souls.~~

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	eevaleena 2008-07-03 03:10 am UTC (link)
	Thanks for the translation! I saw the scans earlier... and couldn't help but sequeling over Shaoran-papa figure. I wonder how did Shaoran look like now ^^ (Reply to this)

	vande_bot 2008-07-03 04:49 am UTC (link)
	http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O5WC6835 - raw for this chapter (Reply to this)

	valentines_av 2008-07-03 05:24 am UTC (link)
	Is it just me.... or does little!Syaoran look... I dunno, he looks out of proportion to Daddy!Syaoran in the second panel XD I agree... Older Yuki= Awesome! I've noticed he's done that 'long suffering' expression a couple of times... hehe it suites him so well. (Reply to this)

cutesherry
2008-07-03 05:34 am UTC (link)

Count on Clamp to frustrate us with the most little things: if they had just showed a shadow of CCS|Syaoran we would all be complaining that they are being stingy and too tight on fanservice, but now that they only hid his upper face we just wanna bang our head on a wall...they better show both CCS|SxS before the end of the manga!!

About CCS|Syaoran's name, I personally don't think it's an inherited name, even though from your translation it seems to get along the previous lines; but I don't see what need CCS|Syaoran would have had to give a false name in CCS (notice that the reason TRC|Syaoran did not give his name was because his father specifically instructed him no to just before he left to see Yuuko, not a thing he was asked to do, say, since he was old enough to understand what it meant) and, sincerely, if after all this "syaoran" is not "syaoran", even if it conveniently serves the purposes of explaining whatever in TRC, I would be disappointed that he is not "Syaoran" after all this years of being his fan...

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yamisakura38
2008-07-03 06:10 am UTC (link)

Anyhow, YES.. CLAMP is so evil ><;;; I mean they show us the nose, the mouth .. but not the face.. I mean come on, they don't even show us the "hair part"!! *SIGH*

Actually, to be honest.. in this context, I believe that it is "my" not "our". [Well, I freak out a bit when I first read this translation, thus I have to ask XD]

First reason, checking with other translator [starlady38 and Nyanko], their interpretation are both "my".
while the second reason is, my own interpretation on the word. Yes, I understand that there's a different between JP and CH. In CH, that word mean "I" and while I don't know if is the same meaning but I remembered seeing that same word from TRC Chapter 182 and it is translated as "my".

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cutesherry
2008-07-03 06:53 am UTC (link)

Thanks for the info Maggie!
I was actually planning to ask you later about it, in case you got your hand on the chinese version, to compare it with the jp one ^^
But it looks like it wasn't necessary :)

Anyway, as I said above, the probability of 'Syaoran' being an inherited name was pretty low, not because of the 'fact' in itself (inheriting a name is not a problem nor an impossibility), but more the importance and impact of the name in itself in Clamp's world and the fans' hearts:

1-from the very start, since 10 years ago with CCS, it had always be "sakura&syaoran": no matter how much Clamp screw up or modify things, I don't think they will touch the fundamental 'base' of it all.
What are the chance we would get something like "ya know about SxS, well, actually.........one of the "S" is a fake!!! Mouahahahahahaha!!!!!"
2-if it was a 'normal procedure' in the Li clan, Yuuko wouldn't have said that 'he was instructed/taught well by his father' when little Syaoran used his father's name instead of his own in her shop.
3-same as I said above: daddy Syaoran specifically told his son to use the name 'Syaoran' (the reason was explained in XXXHOLIC chapter01), again, it doesn't looks like it was a 'normal' thing that would have been happening for centuries in the family.
4-I don't see the need of hiding one's name in CCS, there were some nasty occurrences here and there but not enough to go to such extremes; even now in TRC in which SxS are implied somehow, for the time being no harm was done to them; it's all about their unfortunate son; furthermore, wouldn't "Syaoran" have told Sakura his real name in CCS at some point? To his most precious person?

Well, this name deal is closed in my mind so I will very likely never brought it out again, I mean, we have enough questions rooming around not to add extra ones ^^;;

Back to the chapter, the spoilers were not 'incomplete' like we all wished they were, there really were nothing else to the chapter ¬___¬
I wouldn't call it 'extra long' either and the color image are, obviously, beautiful, but if I balance it with 4 'trc free' weeks, it just doesn't add up, especially since the chapter, while I adored seeing CCS|Syaoran after so many years (who, as we all thought, looks young, anyway, in their 'profession', magician looks young for centuries ^^;;; ), but the contain in itself was...average...and I'm not talking about drawing wise or the fact it was funny, cute or whatever *which it was*, but we seriously are moving at an alarming slow speed...
Thought I guess that considering the angst we've been bearing with for the past 2 years since the clone awakened, this 'recreation' should be welcomed, but this 'pause' is ominously veiled with darkness, that I can feel creeping on us, and it's kind of uncomfortable at times...it's like having a knife hanging above your head.

But more then anything, the 'real' problem for me is that Clamp overused over the years the whole 'being cryptic and hiding stuffs and answering questions with others', even while knowing it's the 'style' of the manga...

Interesting info about CCS|Syaoran : so, his father is the 'Li' one, not his mother like many of us supposed from the manga. And the movie 1 should be also completely left aside, even though it was the only info we ever had of his life in HK (even while knowing it was the anime version, not the original manga...)
Furthermore, even though he obviously lives in Japan from what was told by baby Syao, he still conserved the traditional chinese clothing, which made me thought about something else: Kero did say in vol02 that the last time he heard about the Li clan, they had 'moved' to Hong Kong.
So it's not like they have a rigid rule of never moving from their original place, which made me wonder if more then 'abandoning his country and family to go to Sakura in Tomoeda', being the head of his clan didn't he actually founded a new Li QG in Japan? In which case, he might be older then he looks(well...he will 'be older then he looks' all his life, considering his magic stop him from ageing above a certain point), because to achieve that he would need many years, I guess...

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yamisakura38
2008-07-03 06:23 pm UTC (link)

>> But more then anything, the 'real' problem for me is that Clamp overused over the years the whole 'being cryptic and hiding stuffs and answering questions with others', even while knowing it's the 'style' of the manga...
Yes, I am really tire of it, I mean if is half-way through the series, then I will understand but hey... the honest truth is that "even" the first-half of the storyline, it seems like CLAMP is just going into a "fake, happy illusion to trick/tease all of us fans"... considering that everything AFTER Vol 15 seems more like they can stand ALONE apart from what's before that O__O [both SS are fake, then one got killed off and the other is off somewhere killing people; then the whole childhood|SS are ALSO and overwriting result from the reality. The whole resulting first-half of the series is a result of "time reverse"] As if the relationship between Syaoran Jr. and Watanuki isn't enough!! Should I enter into the detail of Clow-ou somehow is able to implanted to Sakura-hime/Touya as their father while Fujitaka, the king switched to an archaeologist?? Well, but at least we are back to the point of the moving on of the ACTUAL timeline in the series -___- I guess there's a reason why "it is hard to predict/specular what in the world is at the back of Ohkawa's mind... because every detail we try to base on previously is just an illusion created to drive us off-track!!!" *SIGH*

>> Interesting info about CCS|Syaoran : so, his father is the 'Li' one, not his mother like many of us supposed from the manga.
Really??? Since his last name IS 'Li", a kid wouldn't base his last name toward his mother side. I never suppose it that way from the manga ^^;;; I mean unless under very special circumstance in the CHN culture. Instead of the wife following the husband's last name after marry; it is the other way around because the status of the wife's family is HIGHER than the husband and it sort of become a "forceful thing/as a respect to the higher status". Since it is not something to be "proud of" for a man to give up his family name and follow the wife.

>>So it's not like they have a rigid rule of never moving from their original place, which made me wonder if more then 'abandoning his country and family to go to Sakura in Tomoeda', being the head of his clan didn't he actually founded a new Li QG in Japan?
Um... okay, I don't quite get the logic of "because the Li clan moved to HK a long time ago" then Syaoran Li moved to Tomoeda, JP would be the same way as he found a new Li QG there?? I don't see why him moving to JP would automatically mean he would have to leave all of his chinese tradition behind when he is with Sakura unless he actually as you said "he is the head of his clan and him moving to JP is to find a new Li QG there"~

And as well, if you are basing on that logic, then CCS|SxS allow baby Syaoran to make a decision to stay in Clow Country instead is not just so that he can be with Sakura-hime but also since he will become the head of the clan that he will/can find a new Li QG there as well ^^;;

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cutesherry
2008-07-04 05:38 am UTC (link)

I think I actually told you this before, in one of our many discussions on MSN(^__^) but the identity of CCS|Syaoran Li's father is one of the things I had always been most curious and excited about :)
My first thought (hope) was that the father was indeed the 'Li' one since, as you said, it's an 'obvious' thing that the children get their father's name, it's the first thing that comes to mind, except if he gets adopted in the family.
From where came my doubts then? First the fact it was specified Clow Reed's mother was the 'Li' one and the fact Syaoran's actual family is full of women too + there were no info and I mean, no info at all about his father; and from what we could see in the manga, his mother was the one 'in charge'=she knows about all the magic deal and might have magic too (I wonder from where did she gets her magic if she is not the Li...or it might actually have been a marriage between two Li from different branches families).
Well, a mix of all this made me doubt about the father, wondering if the Li wasn't somehow women oriented or something (though I didn't like the idea o__O); but Clamp, after so many YEARS actually got us one tiny hint that the guy actually existed as some point!! -___-

"he is the head of his clan and him moving to JP is to find a new Li QG there"~

No.
What I suggested (= supposition) is that knowing he stated himself he would stay together forever with Sakura in Japan (which was confirmed in TRC since they are still there) + he conserved his traditional chinese clothing (and his son is wearing them too) though he is not obliged to (= he values his family's traditions no matter in which part of the world he is)+ we can see from the flashback that the place they were talking in seemed rather grand with huge pillars (this certainly do not looks like an apartment nor even a mansion like Tomoyo's + the chances they would be talking in a park or whatever public place about magic and inheriting a sword is pretty low to null) he might have decided to 'found'[='construct'/'create'= 'initiation' the act of starting something for the first time'/'introducing something new'] a new Li place in Japan too, not just throwing away centuries of traditions in China (nor 'giving up everything for Love' no matter how romantic it sounds) and neither moving the whole clan from China.
What I mean is the SxS couple is not just leaving a retired life from magic with a little cute house like the one Sakura lived in. And I don't see how Syaoran would 1-afford to construct such a big place (or so it seems) without the full support of his clan, no matter the job he got in the future and 2-he is the most powerful of his clan, the last male descendant of the Li clan in line and Clow Reed relative = him being the new Li leader is pretty high and I don't see how he could be a leader 'at distance' from Japan, that or he gave up his role, which is contrary to his character.
From all this came the supposition he continued and followed his family's legacy and traditions in Japan.

And as well, if you are basing on that logic, then CCS|SxS allow baby Syaoran to make a decision to stay in Clow Country instead is not just so that he can be with Sakura-hime but also since he will become the head of the clan that he will/can find a new Li QG there as well ^^;;

You are insulting me and I'm being serious there: I can see there can be misunderstanding while talking about something but did you sincerely believe I thought that!!!!!????

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yamisakura38
2008-07-04 08:34 am UTC (link)

yes, this is not my normal hours to be up ^^;; I just finished vectoring Kid|Syaoran and thought I would get my mind break more before I go to sleep ^^

Hm... I guess you have a point base on Kero said that Clow Reed's mother side of the family is "Li" while the father side is "Reed"~~ it would also be possible that CCS|Syaoran's magic learning/inheritance solely come from his mother since base on CCS movie 1, she is the one who apparently has the powerful magic power that is sort of related with the "Clow Reed's mother side of oriental magic". While CCS|Syaoran's fighting skill come from his father. I mean it is normal that pass-on family skill is solely powerful on one expertise. And it could fit-in with this chapter saying that "the sword is inherited from his father".

or it might actually have been a marriage between two Li from different branches families
haha~~ when I read it, it is quite interesting from my perspective especially base on my family background XD because technically speaking, it does happen and in my case, in a VERY interesting interwind way. [I can tell you about it later but not in here though ^^]

Hm.. again, I see your point there about the "find a new Li QG there". It wasn't explain clearly to me, I thought what you mean is "the reason WHY Li's clan family allow CCS|Syaoran to stay in JP with Sakura is because he IS the head of the clan and that by being in JP, while he can be together with Sakura but he is as well OBLIGATED to find/build the foundation for the new Li QG there since he chose to stay in JP". And that's why it lead to that "Clow Country logic" ^^;; It is not meant to be insulting you in anyway, just my questioning on your logic. I know you are serious when you write that and as well, I implicated/twisted a bit of my thinking in what you have suggested. I guess I was trying to understand [but of course misunderstand] what you mean base on the little info. I got.

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cutesherry
2008-07-04 11:43 am UTC (link)

to find: to discover or learn something by searching or by accident
to found: to establish; to create; to build; to set up; to start

to find ╪ to found
There is no such a thing as me ever using the verb 'to find' at any moment.

Anyway, I was only wondering about the whereabouts and what did Syaoran do since he arrived in Japan, from the little information Clamp graced us with recently, but my exposing an idea (him possibly still following the traditions he was taught since he was a kid, but this time around in Japan) strangely turned into...well, it's not clear what it turned into, but let's leave it here.

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yamisakura38
2008-07-04 06:55 pm UTC (link)

Don't worry.. you DID NOT use the word "to find" at any moment, I am VERY AWARE of that... it is my horribly bad english who somehow thought that they are the same word ^^;;;; I know what you mean or else I wouldn't have said "to find/build". I just used the wrong word. Sorry!!

Though now that I think of it, it is something to ponder on because from what we see in this chapter. It seems like Syaoran Jr. is "isolated" from his mother and his mother's family. [I mean as you questioned previously: Sakura didn't tell his son directly about her dream but have Syaoran tell him about it?? Was she afraid that she may leak extra info. to him?? or there's something going on with Sakura??] I wonder what their [Syaoran and Sakura] status have become in the future? I don't think it is "only" Syaoran side who does his "Li's clan tradition passing on to the next generation" but Sakura's magic power/dreamseeing power may most probably prevent them from living just a "normal" lifestyle.

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ariadnechan
2008-07-03 08:18 pm UTC (link)

about this all thing maybe all family have a hidden name like kurogane has
something like Li charles Xiao lang, so charles is his given name but only use for family and magic events and Li Xiao lang his name for the world so he is not lying and obviously Sakura learn his hiden true given name

and that's why when Eriol use Li Xiao lang works, thinking that Eriol knows all about Li family like Clow Reed knows it... so there is non problem; because jr was too little he never use his full name before, maybe comes with a ceremony ad maybe jr is Li Fujitaka Xiao Lang as a example

spanish names are like that

All my line of woman in my family are Elsa or Elsie(meaning the same, but all we have a second given name who is different and apart, mine is alexandra, my grandma was cristina and so...
and of course all we have a family name

So if you call your self only Li Xiao lang you are hiding your truth given name but you are not lying about your name at all

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yamisakura38
2008-07-03 10:41 pm UTC (link)

O...K, you are saying "every male" along the generation of Li Clan all have "Xiao Lang" as "part of his name"?? Once the ceremony take place to entrusted the family sword to the "next" generation, instead of calling Li ___ it will become Li ___ Xiao Lang?? and all through generation?? ^^;;

>>if you call your self only Li Xiao lang you are hiding your truth given name but you are not lying about your name at all
According to your logic, Kid|Syaoran should ALSO have Xiao Lang as part of his name, Why would Yuuko said specifically, "That's not your 'real name', isn't it? but your father's name!" That's different than saying "that's not your FULL name but only part of your general Li's clan name".

I mean just an example, I have an "english" and "chinese" part for my name. I rarely disclosure my "chinese" part of my name because well.. I don't like to since I come to US :P
And so, if I say my name is "Maggie {surname}" [but not disclosure my full name which is {surname}{chinese name}, Maggie]. People wouldn't say that "That's not your real name". It is just not my FULL name, that's all!

>>when Eriol use Li Xiao lang works, thinking that Eriol knows all about Li family like Clow Reed knows it... so there is non problem
O...K, so Eriol's apply the magic to control Syaoran in CCS is NOT because he called out his name but because he is "chanting" his FULL name by heart?? o___O

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ashura_sama
2008-07-03 07:08 am UTC (link)

我 is an old-fashioned first-person singular pronoun when used by itself. Far more common are the uses where it's doubled (for plural), suffixed with a ら (also for plural) or followed by が to form a possessive. This possessive is first-person, but it's not fixed singular or plural. In 182 it was indeed singular (and the whole speech was leaning towards old-fashioned). The situation I think most learners of Japanese are familiar with is when a person is speaking for a group (like a company, organization or even a country) and uses 我々 with 我が. This is plural.

At the risk of looking like a stubborn sore loser, I point to Shaoran-papa's change of pronoun. He was referring to himself as おれ one bubble before that. I think it'd be much more natural for him to keep the trend or drop the possessive altogether. Instead he changed pronouns.

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cutesherry
2008-07-03 08:14 am UTC (link)

It's not really about being a 'sore loser' or not, it's just a problem of translation, japanese is a difficult language with lots of nuances ^^;;;

I consulted it too and this is the answer I got :
我 : pron. (Hira=わが) my, belonging to me

again, it's not about doubting your or whoever else translation, but more like when thinking about it, the CCS 'original' one not being "Syaoran" either is just wrong, for the many reasons I listed and certainly many others I didn't even think of.

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	kanon_chan 2008-07-03 09:21 am UTC (link)
	I think he changed pronouns because giving his son the sword was something of a ceremonial act. If you think about it that way it makes sense he uses "waga", because "ore" is a pretty casual expression. (Reply to this) (Parent)

crying4themoon
2008-07-03 09:58 am UTC (link)

I'm not so sure either what CLAMP is doing, since Eriol called CCS!Syaoran "Li Syaoran" and was able to momentarily take control of his "soul" I guess in that he went blank and fell from that tree (manga and anime both). Then later with the manipulation of his movements with the thread--though some have speculated that the thread was from Eriol "touching" him, but at the least, he DID use what was supposedly his real name in CCS--perhaps it doesn't matter whether it's your birth name or your "title" then. ^_^

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cutesherry
2008-07-03 10:14 am UTC (link)

You raised a point I totally forgot about : Eriol indeed used his full name and somehow 'took control of him' for a very short moment? It's not a sure thing though, but we can totally add it in the list of "why he is 'Syaoran'" :P

perhaps it doesn't matter whether it's your birth name or your "title" then.
I don't think so, or else what would be the purpose of hiding your real name if you can be controled either way?

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	crying4themoon 2008-07-03 10:20 am UTC (link)
	Ack! Duh....just got home from work with a killer sinus headache I have nothing to say to my own lapse in sense... ^_^; (Reply to this) (Parent)

	yamisakura38 2008-07-03 06:36 am UTC (link)
	Anyhow, THANK YOU so much for the translation!! ^__^ Recently, I slowly become a less "thankful" person that rarely make any comment with new update/translation and such sigh so, again... Thanks!! (Reply to this)

	scottishrefugee 2008-07-03 07:27 am UTC (link)
	Thanks for the translation! And like you, I had no doubt that Tsubasa would be immediately out, while we haven't seen anything about Holic 159 yet. As for Holic 160, http://starlady38.livejournal.com/ sent me the scans, so you can be sure that I'll put them up as soon as I can. I just don't know if I should wait for 159, though... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	scottishrefugee 2008-07-03 07:30 am UTC (link)
	Ah, when I said she sent me the scans, I really meant the actual pages, of course. Sorry ^^ (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	vande_bot 2008-07-03 11:31 am UTC (link)
	do you have 159 coming to you at all hopeful (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	scottishrefugee 2008-07-03 11:58 am UTC (link)
	No, but only because starlady sent it to another person ^^ (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	vande_bot 2008-07-03 01:42 pm UTC (link)
	That's as good as ^_^ (Reply to this) (Parent)

	e_chan_21 2008-07-03 08:48 am UTC (link)
	Why CLAMP? Why won't you show us Papa-Syaoran's face? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	crying4themoon 2008-07-03 10:22 am UTC (link)
	Because it's too sad... :( You can tell from what little we get to see that he's kind of gone back to that place he was in pre-CCS!Sakura...he seems so closed-off again. It really makes me wonder what happened to CCS!Sakura. or maybe I'm being overly dramatic... ^_^; (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

e_chan_21
2008-07-03 01:51 pm UTC (link)

"It really makes me wonder what happened to CCS!Sakura."

I actually wrote a whole post about a month or two ago with a few theories as to what might have happened to CCS!Sakura. People didn't want to hear them though because most of them were bad! You have to admit, it does seem suss that Lil!Syaoran is only recieving instruction from his father and not his mother. I just really, REALLY hope that CLAMP surprise us all and we get to see grown up CCS!Sakura pop up out of nowhere and yell "PSYCH!!".

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	incorrupts 2008-07-03 10:44 am UTC (link)
	No answers again {but should have seen that coming.} Great artwork though. Thanks for the translation. (Reply to this)

holic and tsubasa scans
(Anonymous)
2008-07-03 03:10 pm UTC (link)

Do u know why we have to wait one day to see Tsubasa raws but more than a week to see Holic's??? I'm not complaining. I prefer Tsubasa rather than Holic. But I also want to read this last one. There are places where the last chapter posted was 158, which came out like three weeks ago, and there is still no news about 159(two weeks old) and 160(last monday). Do u have any idea why this happens???
kisses
Marilyn

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Re: holic and tsubasa scans

ashura_sama
2008-07-03 05:55 pm UTC (link)

Holic neglect is a long-standing problem in this fandom. Generally speaking, Holic does not appeal to the same people Tsubasa does, and I believe that's the root of the problem, because the larger scanning community concentrates on the tastes of people more likely to enjoy Tsubasa than Holic. Now that Alison is who-knows-where, apparently no one who cares about Holic was left in the scanning community. I find it hard to believe that the only reason for this is the selection of manga running on Young Magazine.

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Re: holic and tsubasa scans

yamisakura38
2008-07-03 06:32 pm UTC (link)

*SIGH* and to make it worse both ENG and CHN community has "NO SCAN SOURCE", I mean is it like "the time of the year" that the "regular" scan source people would disappear from the fandom!? I mean I was expecting to at least wait for the CHN scanlation the previous weeks and then 2 days ago, I got an announcement saying that "scanlation group is 'hiring' for person to provide raw scan" ;___;

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	Re: holic and tsubasa scans cutesherry 2008-07-03 07:30 pm UTC (link)
	It sure is getting worst and worst... Holic is A really good manga, independently from TRC (take for example my brother, who read Holic but don't even wanna hear about TRC...). Tsubasa and Holic plots stories are getting closer and closer...would that fact actually push some people to get the Holic scans too? To be able to follow better TRC? crossing fingers (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: holic and tsubasa scans ariadnechan 2008-07-03 08:01 pm UTC (link)
	and for make the thing worse Holic came in a magazine full with girls in no much cloths so the girls who buy manga magazines don't want to buy this one!! There is no boy in this fandom who could buy the magazine???!!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	caleb_moss 2008-07-04 04:04 am UTC (link)
	Maybe someone else has noticed this, but that sword... isn't it exactly like the one Shaoran in CardCaptors used? If so... super cool! (and super confusing, if they're supposed to be the same souls in other worlds). But he had magic and a sword before the cleaning cermony was finished! (Reply to this) (Thread)

	cutesherry 2008-07-04 05:08 am UTC (link)
	uurrhhh.... Syaoran in Tsubasa, is the son of CCS\|Syaoran&Sakura, I thought it was pretty much known by everyone by now ^^;; So the father (with half of his face hidden) you see in this chapter flahsback, giving away the sword, is Syaoran from Card Captor Sakura himself. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	caleb_moss 2008-07-10 04:14 am UTC (link)
	Well, I figured, but since no one actually stated it, I thought to point to the proof. =) Ah, the twisted webs of Clow and his special people. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kinoha 2008-07-04 08:23 pm UTC (link)
	Thank you! :D Oh, nice...so neither actually is Shaoran if that's the case? Clamp sure loves to mess with names XD; (Reply to this) (Thread)

	ashura_sama 2008-07-04 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, nice...so neither actually is Shaoran if that's the case? Well, that's only if my interpretation is correct. It seems no other translator agreed with me, so take it with a grain of salt. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	kinoha 2008-07-05 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	It's a possibility though nods (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Chapter 160 of Holic is finally up!!! scottishrefugee 2008-07-05 01:06 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks to starlady38 who sent it to me by mail. I scanned it and put it up on Photobucket (http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff251/Tensai_1987/xxxholic/Chapter%20160/). Hope this will cheer you up ^___^ (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Chapter 160 of Holic is finally up!!! dhazard06 2008-07-05 01:40 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks a lot!!! (Reply to this) (Parent)

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