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Tsubasa Rumor Mill (190)
Aaand back to the usual spoiler trend.

Updated!


Chapitre 190
Those who know the world

Shaoran's reminiscence continues. Sakura's parents appear.



Same Side, Same Story

Cover: Seishirou and Subaru.
They knew that
the time when they could meet again
was not that far away.


"Who~?"
"I'm Sha-..."
"Wait..."

Sakura falls over. Shaoran rushes over to try to help her up.

"No!"

Sakura stops him.

"I'm sorry. But you must not touch me."

They sit down.

"I'm in the middle of cleansing in this water so no one can touch me."

She seems dissatisfied and splashes some water with her feet.

"Cleansing... Is there some important ceremony coming up?"

Sakura is surprised.

"... What?"
"Knowing that cleansing is something that comes before an important ceremony." (T/N: I'm guessing this is Shaoran.)
"It's because there's something I've also done many times." (T/N: Definitely Shaoran here.)

Sakura smiles.

"That's right." "Those clothes aren't from Clow country. Did you come from another country somewhere?"
"... From another world."
"Another world..."
"Yeah. I came from the country called Japan in a different world than this one."
"Japan..."
"You're not surprised."
"It's because I heard" "the priest say to mother that the world isn't only one to those who know its existence." (T/N: I'm tempted to be literal and use "before" with the meaning "in front of" instead of "to", but this poor line has been abused enough that I decided to stick with simpler wording.)
"... I was also told that by my mother."
"But it's strange. Even though Japan and Clow country are in different worlds, we can speak like this. Such a coincidence..."
"No. In this world there are no coincidences. All there is, is hitsuzen."
"Was that from your mother?"
"No, from my father."
"... Hitsuzen. I wonder if meeting you is such a thing too."

Seeing Sakura's smile, Shaoran is a bit shy.

"..."
"Tell me your name."
"... Li Shaoran."
"I'm Sakura of Clow country."
"The same name as my mother..." (T/N: This is Shaoran. Sakura uses a different suffix.)
"Eh?"

Shaoran stares at Sakura. Sweatdrop. ... Looks like my mother when she was small.

"Weren't you in midst of cleansing?"
"Mother!"
This person also looks just like my mother's mother that I saw in a picture.
"Looks like you're enjoying yourself, Sakura-hime."
"I'm sorry! But I'm keeping my oath of purity! I really am! I just took a little fall in the water, but... but...!" (T/N: I couldn't find the word I translated as "purity" in the dictionary, so it could be a bit off.)
"I understand. It's all right."

She faces Shaoran.

"Welcome to Clow country, you who came from another world."
"How do you...?"
"A dream."
"Are you a dreamseer too?"

A sound comes from Sakura's stomach.

"Er, um, that was...!"
"It's evening. The cleansing ritual is over for today, so let's return to the castle. I've prepared some of your beloved apples, Sakura-hime."

Addressing Shaoran.

"Come with us."
"But..."
"Of course, I prepared your share too. You like fruits, right?"
So this person can see the future in dreams after all?

Shaoran accepts the invitation to eat together. Sakura goes "wa~i!" and runs happily, then steps on her hem and falls down. They arrive at the castle.

"It's really a castle." (T/N: Shaoran here.)
"Is it nothing like Japan?"
"There's a desert in Japan too, but it's not the place where I live at least." (T/N: I had to Google for this one. I wonder if this is what Shaoran is talking about?)
"Sakura-hime."
"Father!"

Sakura rushes over but stops confused.

"Be patient for six days more until the cleansing ritual is over." (T/N: The sentence is a bit weird, I could be off.)
"Yes, father."
"Could you introduce us, please?"
"I met him at the purification grounds in the ruins."

Shaoran bows.

"I am Li Shaoran." (T/N: YAY he's using polite!)
"I am the king of Clow-koku, Fujitaka. You two must be hungry, so we'll talk later.
"Let's go."

The parents turn to look at Shaoran and Sakura.

"... It's him, isn't it?"
"Yes. Sakura-hime's destined person."

Their destiny can even cross worlds and, now, it speeds up!


HELL YEAH Holic reference in the chapter title!!! Though considering how much CLAMP fucked up the Holic universe, I'm no longer sure Holic references should be celebrated.

The word used for "parents" implies both of them, but so far there's no information on Sakura's mother. (Someone asked.)

Okay, Shaoran's comments are priceless. (笑)

The lack of names identifying the lines doesn't help, but is it for serious that Nadeshiko is a yumemi? X_X

Okay. Lemme just pick up my jaw at the introduction of this Clow-ou.

Clow Reed, oh Clow Reed. What in the blazing flames of hell have you done to your family?

Oh yeah, forgot to comment on this one! I was right when I thought it weird that Sakura-replica knew how Watanuki's name is written. This is it, kids, we have confirmation that they really do speak Japanese in Clow-koku.



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[info]lodelco
2008-05-10 09:52 am UTC (link)
CLAMP fucked up HOLiC? I didn't notice anything unless you're talking about Watanuki's situation.

Sakura's mother... Well since Clow is her father it could be Kaho. Or Nadeshiko. Or Yuuko...

Looks like we might get some answers in this chapter though. And I feel like we might see Watanuki in TRC soon.

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-10 10:01 am UTC (link)
Not Holic (yet), the Holic universe. In my opinion, there's something very wrong with an universe where two of the same person come to exist at the same time by natural means. Unless you subscribe to "Shaoran isn't a Shaoran".

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[info]crying4themoon
2008-05-10 10:04 am UTC (link)
Thank you for the translation ^_^

Kaho if Clow-ou's "Eriol" and he is her father, Nadeshiko if Fujitaka is her father, Yuuko if she and Clow really were together and he's really Clow Reed, but I doubt it--Yuuko acts too jilted, and something tells me Clow-ou isn't Clow Reed and that Clow Reed never had a lasting relationship and his only "children" were Yue, Kero-chan, and the Cards. ^_^; , hell as Su-chan sarcastically-joked, CLAMP might throw in another Sakura and Syaoran for good measure XD -- at this point, guessing seems to be futile...

I'm not even going to guess for real...

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-10 10:07 am UTC (link)
hell as Su-chan sarcastically-joked, CLAMP might throw in another Sakura and Syaoran for good measure XD
I'd actually support that. I like parallelism. Besides, no fair if it's junior Reedcest only from Shaoran's point of view. (笑)

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[info]cutesherry
2008-05-10 10:05 am UTC (link)
We can always count on Clamp to keep us breathless and gawking : while all the eyes and minds are tuned on Syaoran, they suddenly switch to Sakura and her parents...
If it ends up that her father is not King Clow, then what? She is not the princess of Clow country either then? Then what? O__o;;;
I think I'd like it *a lot* better if it's Clow though, since I'm VERY curious to know who is his soulmate ^^ I wanna know more about Clow!!!

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[info]crying4themoon
2008-05-10 10:13 am UTC (link)
I feel bad for Clow Reed for saying this, but I don't think he ever got to be with his soulmate (which may very well be Yuuko considering her comments about them being the same) and their parental relationship with the Mokona-tachi. I think (after reading CCS) that he was heavily burdened by his power, and didn't wish to involve others in his life for some reason. He seemed like a very lonely person in a way...maybe he and Yuuko were in love, but it seems he pushed her away and chose death.

I don't think Clow-ou was Clow Reed, since Yuuko and FWR don't refer to him.
It's weird...FWR refers to Sakura not as Clow's blood relative like he does "Syaoran", but as the princess of the desert. Sakura (CCS! and TRC!) is by far closer to Clow than CCS!Syaoran or "Syaoran", so I wonder why he refers to them that way.

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[info]selenityshiroi
2008-05-10 01:17 pm UTC (link)
Cover: Seishirou and Subaru.
He knew that
the time when he could see him again
was not that far away.


...*fangirlfangirlfangirl*

My brain kind of stopped their for a few minutes before I could read the rest!

Hell, yes! That's what I've been waiting for since Outo!

As for the rest of the spoilers, I actually am starting to feel more confident about this storyline! I've made some theories in my journal, but the main two are:

1: Fujitaka and Nadeshiko were Sakura's parents and they ruled Clow world the first (real) time and then Fujitaka or FWR plotted so that Clow was created to act as King during the time loop (either in Fujitaka's favour to keep him out of the loop or in FWR's favour to get C!Syaoran near to Sakura).

2: R!Syaoran isn't CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran's BIOLOGICAL son. Raised as their son? Sure. But not 'concieved and birthed' biological child. I can't see CCS!Sakura and Syaoran sending their own 7 year old son away (no matter what dreams Sakura had...unless he was in danger in CCS!World...which seems removed from all the danger, so I don't think so) unless they were only looking after him before sending him back to where he belonged and needed to be. Plus, there are many reasons for Yelan (maybe) to send Syaoran from Clow world if FWR was plotting against him.

Anyway, I'm beginning to think that CLAMP can pull this off without making everyone run screaming!

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-10 01:54 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm, the Fujitaka/Clow-ou swap... Maybe it was specifically done to keep the clone under control? Post-rewind Fujitaka was instrumental in the whole "clone's own heart" plan, and I do have a feeling that Seishirou also winded up in Clow-koku because of other Shaoran. Though whatever was the reason for the swap, where did Clow-ou come from?

You have a good point about the lack of reason for Shaoran and Sakura to send little Shaoran off to another dimension, though the CCS world is also the Holic world, so I wouldn't say it's removed from all danger (even more so if you interpret Holic 132 to mean that Watanuki's disappearance would be retroactive). I personally don't subscribe to "Shaoran isn't a Shaoran" no matter what his name is, and your idea would be a good explanation for the existence of two Shaoran in the CCS world without resorting to the collapse of space-time nor breaking all established logic about counterparts.

I'm starting to think we all might be completely mistaken about the nature of the Holic/Tsubasa multiverse.

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[info]kinoha
2008-05-10 01:43 pm UTC (link)
XD; Thank you!!
but is it for serious that Nadeshiko is a yumemi? X_X
Hm...I guess she is...well, in CCS she was a ghost, so why not..
This is it, kids, we have confirmation that they really do speak Japanese in Clow-koku. Which is kinda strange...makes me wonder whether Clow-koku really exists as a dimension...maybe it's a part of Clow or something? *makes up random ideas*

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-10 02:05 pm UTC (link)
And the fact Shaoran recited the guuzen/hitsuzen adage when Sakura commented on it is even more suspicious, at least under my interpretation of hitsuzen.

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[info]su_chan
2008-05-10 01:48 pm UTC (link)
The caption of the cover is 'karera' THEY!!!! They meet again.

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-10 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I can see Kamui "rejoicing" over this.

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[info]mairenn_k
2008-05-10 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for translating! As confusing as they are, these spoilers made me very happy. We finally find out who Sakura's parents are? We get to see Nadeshiko in TRC style? It's said that "Syaoran" indeed is Sakura's destined person? Also, Seishirou/Subaru splash page? Awesome. ♥ I second your question though - what on earth has Clow done to his family? XD I'm starting to wonder if Fujitaka and Nadeshiko were the original rulers of Clow koku and Clow was some kind of replacement during the time loop as well, but it's too early to say anything for sure yet, I suppose. CLAMP probably have more surprises in store. I wonder what happened to Nadeshiko though (did she die in this world as well?).

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where is the tsubasa and holic rumor scans are?
(Anonymous)
2008-05-10 02:57 pm UTC (link)
well... i tried to find them but i just cant see them... can someone please give me a link to where i can read or download the tsubasa or holic rumor scans?

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Re: where is the tsubasa and holic rumor scans are?
(Anonymous)
2008-05-10 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Moron.

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[info]jlarinda
2008-05-10 03:01 pm UTC (link)
FUJITAKA

WHAT

OMFG YAY 8D *So happy he DOES have a more important role!* And he's really Sakura's father, still! That's so great!

Now if only we were told WTF happened that made Fujitaka Syaoran's adoptive father and Clow-ou the King instead?

Eta: And omfg YES Seishirou/Subaru cover /o/

Edited at 2008-05-10 03:04 pm UTC

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[info]rekallthegreat
2008-05-10 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Seishirou/Subaru cover! I love the fact that they'll be meeting again soon! &hearts

And these spoilers are awesome! I love Syaoran's little comments "she looks like my mom", "she looks like my mothers mom".

I can't wait to see Fujitaka and Nadeshiko together!

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[info]chrysa
2008-05-10 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I know! ♥ That's the first and only thing I sawwwwww.

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[info]thomas51
2008-05-10 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Ok, what the hell has just hapenned here? Clow has two kings?
Anyway, now I think that Fujitaka knew all the time that C!Syaoran was a...clone. o.o'
So, everybody knew FWR's plans...AND ANYONE STOPPED HIM WHY?! >_>'
Ok, there's this whole "interference" limit, but FWR has broken it a long time ago! >_<"

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[info]laifan
2008-05-10 05:33 pm UTC (link)
Cover: Seishirou and Subaru.
They knew that
the time when they could meet again
was not that far away.


*brain stopped at that* YAAAAAAYYYYYY! Finally! *fangirls and waits impatiently*

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[info]ariadnechan
2008-05-10 06:46 pm UTC (link)
thanks ashura sama!!!
there is japanese scan of 189 at last!!!

http://www.mediafire.com/?mznu90tzmzm

about the all thing i believe we need the 189, 190 and 191 to understand something!!
the only thing i'm sure of it came truth that must be li Xiao lang or his son the rela Xiao in trc, about how many sakuras are or what happens with clow ou i need to see more to understand the space and time collapsing is in the way i think!! and may be Clow Reed after the capture could go to Clow country to take the character of the father of the clon sakura??? i count 4 Sakuras right now may be i'm going crazy too!!!

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[info]vicks111
2008-05-10 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Nadeshiko had magic in CCS too, we just weren't told exactly what they were.
As for Fujitaka/Nadeshiko <3!! I always thought Fujitaka knew about the clone, but hell I need to see what happened in Clow-koku for it to be so screwed up.
And subaru and seishiro meeting in the clow ruins arc!! My fangirl heart won't stand much of this teasing XD

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[info]sailoryue
2008-05-11 12:17 am UTC (link)
so this owuld mean that Fujitaka is a decendant in TRC too? or a reletive or something.

damn, Clow is.... i dunno. he must pull the switcheroo after RSyao makes his first wish.

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[info]inulovinkit
2008-05-11 01:22 am UTC (link)
Bwuh? O.o

CLAMP, stop breaking my brain!

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[info]e_chan_21
2008-05-11 05:41 am UTC (link)
I'm starting to get really worried that baby Syaoran keeps saying "father told me" and never "mother told me". Like in the last chapter, when he was telling Yuuko that his father had told him his mother had a dream and that it was his father who told him to come. Why didn't Sakura tell him directly? Please CLAMP, don't tell me she's dead!!

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[info]crying4themoon
2008-05-11 12:45 pm UTC (link)
If she were, I can't imagine what CCS!Syaoran's reaction would be.
He's not as emotionally-balanced as Fujitaka...who kept on living because he promised her he wouldn't cry, and of course for his children.
Syaoran seems like the type who'd go freaking nuts or spiral into the darkest depths of depression--or both. ^_^;

CLAMP better not make her dead--I don't want to say "Surely they wouldn't..."
because we all know what happens when everyone says that...

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[info]vande_bot
2008-05-11 08:25 am UTC (link)
*coffee added to monitor in spit effect*

TRC is giving me a huge headache O.o but heck this is great with all the twists and spoilers ftw <3

thanks

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[info]jhesset_hime
2008-05-11 10:52 am UTC (link)
Thank you~

By the way, my brain just died and split into half and burst into smithereens.
Haha.

Thanks again! Made my day. ^^

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[info]e_chan_21
2008-05-11 01:38 pm UTC (link)
OMG YOUR ICON IS LOVE!!!

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[info]starlady38
2008-05-12 02:40 am UTC (link)
Fujitaka FTW! And Nadeshiko:s alive too? Double FTW!

Well, this leads me to think that there is only one Clow Reed after all. After 189 I didn:t see how there couldn:t be two of them, but this makes me think that there is just one of them (and his time in Clow-koku was a brief sojourn from Hong Kong).

Incidentally, I realized that Clow-koku:s name is written as a homonym for 苦労. I think that seems significant. :)

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[info]ashura_sama
2008-05-12 02:51 am UTC (link)
Incidentally, I realized that Clow-koku:s name is written as a homonym for 苦労. I think that seems significant. :)
You mean "homophone", right? The official spelling for Clow-koku's name is 玖楼, but people in 2ch tend to misspell a lot.

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confused
[info]vorathiel
2008-05-13 04:46 am UTC (link)
in the beginning Fujitaka was the clown's "father" how did he go from being king to architect in the same world?

Really confusing. But it will be nice to see Nadeshiko alive.

I want to see Cardcaptor's Sakura, Syaoran, tomoyo, .... I guess we won't though.

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